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  Read it and Weep

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the wt itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked is that something you recently started to believe?.

  how many people just forget what the wt has said?

  well, read it and weep.. .

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  My husband remembered, in the original Star Trek series, the episode of Harry Mudd. The landing party was trapped by androids

  One method they used to escape, was “The Liar’s Paradox”

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzVxsYzXI_Y

  Then, Spock went up to two different women robots (they looked exactly the same) and said: “I love you, but I hate you.” (This starts at the 4 minute mark, this is a fuller version)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr-V_G6B4o

  The look on their face was “How can that be?” “We are both the same?”

  That is the same look elders get on their face when you say “The organization is not inspired by Holy Spirit and are not true prophets.”

  When you show them the publications and references to show just that, our experience is that they have nothing more to say to you. None have ever returned with an explanation.

  We can see why when you look at the list of quotes that Punk of Nice provided. (thx!)
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  Preview of Forum vNext - "Return of JWD"

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  meh, what the heck ... some people already noticed / discovered it anyway .... i put a preview of the new site up on the original .com domain if anyone wants to try it:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/.

  it is incomplete but should show some of the new features.. right now the home page shows topics for the entire site which you can sort by when they were started, last updated or the number of posts (rating will come later).

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  Pretty cool! I like it!

  Will the two of these sites meld? become one?

  or just share info?
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  Read it and Weep

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the wt itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked is that something you recently started to believe?.

  how many people just forget what the wt has said?

  well, read it and weep.. .

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  Village Girl: Agreed.... Good illustration ...The WT is like an abusive parent who lies continually to his children, directs them down wrong roads, promises and promises.. rewards on certain days and then when the day comes says; "I didn't promise that. You hoped in vain, its not my fault."

  Ding: So true... I was just hoping for that one person who had a bit of sense left in them &

  Whathappened: Catch 22 .... I guess they do always carry around their escape hatches... but I am trying to just leave the last bit of explanations to "them."..... Saying something like, "just doing what the WT says to do.... You do want me to do that, right?"

  Mr Freeze: That is the most irritating part of it... "we are not inspired by spirit, just led by spirit" "we are not a god, but treat us like one"

  Vanderhoven7: Amazing that those men in NY have more say than Jesus or the Bible. I just hope one person sees the irony in this.

  NeverKnew: I am with you. A lot like listening to the Pharisees, "I cannot take care of my parents, I have promised all to the temple"
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  Where are the Forum Policies/Guidelines... and more

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  ive been posting here from more than ten years.

  im not a prolific poster, but based on my ongoing participation i thought i knew participation policies, by firsthand experience if nothing else.

  recently i had need to consult the forums policy and posting guidelines looking for position statements, definitions and explanations.

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  cha ching

  Thx Marvin,

  but... my curiosity is up.... what sort of profession are you in? or if not profession, what is your background?

  Your sentences and paragraphs are so... detailed, and deep...

  Also, are you from England? (if you don't mind me asking)

  thx, cha ching
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  I said it before and I'll say it again

  by Gojira_101 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm so happy to have been able to sleep in yesterday and this morning!

  no fs and sunday meeting!

  every weekend i feel a huge relief and both hubby and i always look at each other and say "it's great not having to go to meeting huh?".

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  cha ching

  Ab-so-lute-lee!!!

  cha ching, cha ching

  time to dance & sing!
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  Read it and Weep

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the wt itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked is that something you recently started to believe?.

  how many people just forget what the wt has said?

  well, read it and weep.. .

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  cha ching

  cha ching!
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  Read it and Weep

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the wt itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked is that something you recently started to believe?.

  how many people just forget what the wt has said?

  well, read it and weep.. .

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  cha ching

  Recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the WT itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked “is that something you recently started to believe?”

  How many people just “forget” what the WT has said?

  Well, read it and weep.

  Here is what is written inside a February 1972 Watchtower, on the inside cover…

  THE PURPOSE OF “THE WATCHTOWER”

  Every watchtower has its purpose. It serves as an elevated place for a wide-awake person with sharp vision. It enables him to see far ahead into the distance and tell those below for whom he is a watchman what is drawing near, whether it is a danger against which to prepare or it is something good over which to be glad with strong faith and hope.

  Because of having the name “The Watchtower” this magazine justly has to render a similar useful service to the people of all nations. This is an international magazine and makes no racial distinctions, for we are all facing a common world danger, we are all hoping for a common good.

  Ever since “The Watchtower” began to be published in July of 1879 it has looked ahead into the future, always striving to aid its readers to advance knowledge and to gain a clearer picture of the glorious new order of things that is in store for righteous mankind. No, “The Watchtower” is no inspired prophet, but it follows and explains a Book of prophecy the predictions in which have proved to be unerring and unfailing till now.

  “The Watchtower is therefore under safe guidance. It may be read with confidence, for its statements may be checked against that prophetic book .

  Number 1. The Watchtower SAYS it is not inspired

  Number 2. What has the WT just instructed us to do? “Check it’s statements” against the Bible.
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  Where are the Forum Policies/Guidelines... and more

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  ive been posting here from more than ten years.

  im not a prolific poster, but based on my ongoing participation i thought i knew participation policies, by firsthand experience if nothing else.

  recently i had need to consult the forums policy and posting guidelines looking for position statements, definitions and explanations.

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  cha ching

  Dear Marvin,

  Are you an English teacher?
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  Your top 5 most irritating doctrines/practices?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's clear that virtually everyone on here is infuriated by wt teachings/doctrines/practices, but i would really like to know what is of most concern to people who frequent this forum.. here is my top 5, number 1 being the most significant/infuriating:.

  the disfellowshipping practice - expanded to include family members (but not parents) who are old enough to leave home.

  wrecks families and creates abject fear once people find out the truth about the organization.the blood issue - another unmerciful teaching, but one that costs lives.unquestioned authority of governing body - a handful of men make life-altering decisions as representatives of a larger group of people who they never see or speak to, and yet they demand unquestioning obedience on pain of being disfellowshipped.failed prophecy - the fulfilment of huge swathes of bible prophecy, including revelation, has been attributed to the events of the early 20th century, and the actions of a small group of men.two-tier christianity - faithful and discreet slave are anointed who go to heaven to whom ransom provisions apply directly, whereas remainder, or "great crowd" stay on earth and form a sub-class, only access benefits of ransom through fds.i realise that many of these issues are inter-related, but that's roughly how i would put them.

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  1. Lying. Lying about 607, lying about "we hate the UN", lying about "millions now living will never die" (and they did) , lying about 'we said Christ's presence began in 1914 (nope, 1874, then 1914, then... Armageddon is coming in 1914, wait 1925.. etc) lying that "we are not inspired, but led by God's spirit" & lying that they really care about us. Lying that "We are $6,000 short on the assembly this weekend" and they had the money all along.

  2. Taking people's money. "We need it for the preaching work" What money have they spent on "preaching?" They spend millions on court cases to pay off poor children who've been abused in the organization by pedophiles. Saying they are a "non-profit" organization & making $$$$$$$. Asking for people to donate their life savings in a will to them, that is soooo sooo sad.

  3. Taking fathers away from their children & their wives. Elders spend so much time at the K Hall in JC's, RBC's, meeting parts, etc, etc, that their families do not get to enjoy them.

  4. Telling you every little move to make, what clothes to wear when visiting Bethel, wear your lapel cards out to dinner, don't make other arrangements, sex? how about dating "to marry" (you don't get to know people) what kind of dance to dance, music to listen to, how long your skirts s/be, don't go out for food during the convention, bring your lunch. "Don't let your kids draw during the meeting" "Don't get together in your own study groups to read the bible"

  5, Evidently, however, in further review, looking back, apparentley, it seems as tho, upon further consideration.... ALL used to show why they are still right, even tho Holy Spirit "led" them to believe something entirely different in the first, second & third place.
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  exJW Psychology 103--Let's Reconsider "Confidentiality"

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the course of decades as a jw, an elder, a bethelite, then learning ttatt and wanting to leave, i'd collected a lot of insight into the power of "confidentiality.

  " although the confidentiality in a judicial hearing is supposedly to protect the sinner, in actuality, i saw that it was about control and was protecting the power of the jc.. i didn't use any of this knowledge until i was called before the boe because the other elders figured they had grounds to remove me as an elder.

  it was a work situation that only lasted a matter of hours, but it was enough that they seized the moment.

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  Billy,

  It must have been weird & hard to be at Bethel (and to think, one of my children almost went) but you survived!

  Thx for all of your stories, they add insight, and add validity to our experiences also.

  I am so glad people take the time to post here, thank you.